Uneven acrylic engraving depths

I recently ran some engraving and cutting of royal blue acrylic on my Glowforge Basic (purchased in December, 2020).

Other than this specific outcome, the Glowforge is working fine. It engraves and cuts both acrylic and plywood without any other issues. Everything lines up as I expect it to, multiple steps run without incident and there are no registration issues. I get the cutting and engraving depths I expect, with normal variances in natural materials.

The engraving steps which produced this problematic outcome are all set to run at 1400 speed and full power.

I tried two different brands of acrylic from two different suppliers. The first time I had this issue was with somewhat suspect acrylic from a seller on Etsy. I chalked it up to a problem with the production of the acrylic.

I then ran the same job on Modfy Royal Blue acrylic. I’ve worked with a lot of Modfy’s acrylic and have never had an issue.

Not only did I have the same issue, the issue manifested itself in the exact same spots in both jobs.

That likely rules out the material and probably rules out anything location-specific in the cycle of running the Glowforge, because I cut in different locations on my print bed both times but got the same result.

Please see the attached pictures. The engraving I’m doing is to get the upper orange layer to sit in the exact center of this blue layer, but if the engraving I did in this blue layer has a bunch of high spots, that’s not going to work.

I recently did a basic cleaning on my Glowforge, but I didn’t yet pull the lens or the mirror to clean those. I did clean the windows on the print head and I also cleaned the window on the far left of the gantry, along with vacuuming out everything. This was done within two or three jobs before running this job, and I think it was the first engraving I did after cleaning.

It’s important to note that I engraved other things after this for the same job, on gray Modfy acrylic, and they engraved without issue. A large area was engraved and it engraved to a consistent depth throughout the entire engraving.

In this first picture you can see how the artwork was oriented inside the Glowforge when it engraved and then cut. You can see that the defects in the engraving depth run horizontally. The three sets on the left are the shady Etsy acrylic and the two sets on the right are the Modfy acrylic. Note how the defects appear in the same place in each letter impacted by the problem.

In this picture, you can see the same thing running across two sets of identical artwork. These came from the same sheet of acrylic (shady Etsy), both engravings run at the same time. The artwork was vertically aligned. The defect appears in the K and the S, but not in the same horizontally-aligned engravings between the K and the S (the perspective boxes underneath the lettering between the K and the S)

Here is a close-up of the defect in the Etsy acrylic.

Here is a close-up of the defect in the Modfy acrylic.

I then thought it might be the artwork - something that went wrong. Here are two screenshots of the K and the N, taken in Inkscape, selected with the Node tool, as seen in the vertically running KNICKS lettering. The nodes all appear to be as-expected. If they weren’t connected in a continuous outline as expected, I’d think the fill wouldn’t appear as it does… the fill would also be twisted. Because I’m engraving, the stroke is off. Only fill.


Anyone seen this before?

I have not encountered this particular problem, but I believe it has to be a problem with the artwork. Have you tried redoing the file using a different color fill?

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A different color fill is a good idea.

One thing I noticed after posting this was that I had engraved/cut the same artwork on a different sheet of acrylic, so I may also try reloading that file instead and cutting it once just to see if it’s something crazy with the SVG that doesn’t show up in either interface.

I am going out tonight, but tomorrow I’ll see what I can do.

Appreciate the insight. Any other theories from others?

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So I had this particular artwork in two different files, and when I used this same artwork from the first file to engrave and cut, it engraved flat and cut as expected. The individual letters are now fixed.

The problematic artwork I used which got the bad results pictured above is a copy/paste of what’s in this first file… so I’m at a bit of a loss as to why the two copies of the artwork produce different results. Could be an Inkscape bug?

Now I need to figure out how to fix the engraving of the logo (second photo, original post), because I only have one copy of that and it’s the original that’s problematic in this case… so still open to any ideas as to how I might be able to troubleshoot the artwork.

Try converting to a bmp or save the thing as a PDF and engrave.

I’m curious if you’re uploading the file in color, or converting to B&W?

I have never even considered using colors. All engraves are B&W, or greyscale for me.

@jamesdhatch Thanks - after posting my original note and the replies above, I continued researching and I did finally see the tip to convert engraved areas to raster at a high DPI for more consistent engraving results and little delta in the end product vs. using a vector shape. That’s probably what I’ll end up doing here just to be safe.

@eflyguy Ever since I did my Monopoly set which required I split each half of the board into a large number of engraving steps (large number of different colors in the SVG) in service of dropping the engrave time from >11 hours to <5 hours, I have been diligently layering and coloring my engraving files to minimize laser time*, so the file itself is multicolored:

The perspective boxes underneath the logo are also different colors, but I edited those manually so they’re just one RGB value off from one another. The ball is entirely one color and gets engraved in one fell swoop (but each ball is a separate color).

I took that cut file pictured above, loaded it into the Glowforge, removed everything but the beginning K and ending S from both logos and am engraving it now.

So far I’ve seen an entire K and the first half of the S (where the issue was) and I am not seeing the engraving issue I had first seen in my original post. In that engraving attempt, all the Knicks lettering was all the same color in the underlying SVG, and it was all one combined path.

To recolor it as seen above, I obviously had to break apart the path, and that may be part of what’s going on here - combining the path may have introduced the unseen artifact that caused the issue and breaking it back apart cured whatever Inkscape did “wrong” in combining them all together in the first place.

I think what I’m taking away from this is that I will rasterize areas of engraving (in true black) at a high DPI to avoid this entire issue, because Inkscape will sometimes introduce undetectable issues with the underlying SVG that cause the Glowforge to vary its engraving power in areas that should not see the power varied.

I shouldn’t have overwritten my SVG files with the new versions with the different colors because it would have been interesting to analyze the content of each SVG file to see if I can figure out what Inkscape is doing here. I’m certain there’s a bug report at the end of this rainbow.

I appreciate all the help from all of you!

*I also discovered on this particular journey that splitting absolutely everything up into its own different step in the GF UI (by giving it its own unique color in the underlying file) is not always the ticket to a shorter engraving time and, if the areas to engrave are small enough and close together enough, that it can actually increase engraving time by an order of magnitude. In those cases it makes more sense to do them all in one fell swoop. Probably has to do with the slowdown time/distance of the laser head on the end of each pass and the ratio of how long that is to the width of each engraving step. I’m sure there’s a formula there to be discovered but I’m going to use my gut :slight_smile:

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The depth of the engrave will also change with a colour change - so if you’re only trying to make it into different steps you should make the colours like #000000, #000001, #000002, etc rather than all the way from brown to red.

No idea on the why of your error, but I do know folks have had success running a 2nd faster engrave over the entire area to “clean up” leftovers. If those spots are the full height of the surrounding material that wouldn’t work, but if they’re already party gone that might be enough to fix them for your inlay.

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There are several issues you have interchanged. One is a rare glitch I have only seen a couple of times that involves math and the place where a corner hits exactly (or exactly wrong) on a particular pass of the vector engrave.

If you engrave two tiny rectangles six inches apart or fill the space between them with as many as can fit It will take exactly the same amount of time. As you note, engraving the two rectangles separately will take much more than twice as long because of the slowdown/speed-up time, and it can get ridiculous at higher speeds. Every design width will have a “sweet spot” where moving faster will take longer and moving slower will take longer and that is quickly noticed. What is less obvious is that “sweet spot” gets faster the wider the design.

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The depth of the engrave will also change with a colour change

Even if I manually set all the engrave steps to use the same power, speed and lines-per-inch?

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Yes - a black spot cut at 100/100 will be deeper than a peach spot cut at 100/100.

I honestly have no clue how much deeper, but that is how one can do 3D engraves - by varying colour/lightness.

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