Cuttle makes Score instead of Engrave pretty fast to setup

Using multiple scores instead of engraving isn’t new. I was doing some manually in Cuttle.xyz, and then remembered that Cuttle has a Customize each repeat option, and Google’ed how to use it, and voila, they had an example with Expand, to make bigger shells around an object - that’s almost exactly what I wanted, I just want to use Contract instead of Expand.

Pictures - middle is engrave, outer 2 are scored instead (like previous examples)


(left one has smoke, because the sheet wasn’t masked - other two were done on scrap pieces already masked, but as this surface of the middle piece is never seen, I’m not masking or cleaning up the smoke).

And brought the 4 hours down to 1 hour. AND, the whole multiple score thing in Cuttle just a few steps (although from the picture above, you can see the scored versions don’t go quite as wide, so probably more like a 3x reduction in time for apples-to-apples width):

  1. Copy the vector shape
  2. Apply Contract (don’t worry about the contract width for now).
  3. Apply Linear Repeat and select Customize Each Repetition
  4. Go back to the Contact section and change distance to be an equation based on ‘rep’.

I’m using a defocused score, with the height about 2x my material thickness, and it ends up being about 2x my normal kerf (aka each score takes out twice my kerf width). The outer edge of the scored section is cut away, so I want to start scoring 1 kerf away (so -1 kerf is @ 0 kerfs and +1 kerf is @ 2 kerfs), and then do it again 3 kerfs, 5 kerfs, 7 kerfs, until I have the thickness I want. That’s simple math: (2 * this repetition’s number) + 1, which gives (2 * 0)+1 = 1, (2 * 1) +1 = 3, (2 * 2)+1 = 5, etc. So my equation is (2 * rep + 1) * kerf.

BTW - this hole engrave thing is on a piece I'm throwing out - definitely want to save time if possible!

I’m making some holiday decorations - small display with 3 houses and 2 pine trees, with some embedded LEDs that run off a cheap USB plug / remote. To get everything tidy / hidden, the LEDs and wires are hidden in a hollow inside layer (just a frame on the outside), based on this Etsy design (not mine, I bought it and am tweaking as I like).

On the 1st prototypes, I had problem with the frame staying aligned all the way around during glue up, as not only was it hollow, but it had a big chunk missing out of the bottom, for wires to run down, so I want to use the cut-out piece of the frame as a glue-up jig and hole the outer stuff in place.

And then when I did that, I ended up super-gluing the cut-out piece to the front piece the first time. Super glue is pretty thing, so I thought if I just engraved down the outer edge of that cut-out piece 1mm or so, that’ll prevent most of that problem (and if some glue does try to stick in there, it’s not a solid surface, and is charred, so comes off pretty easy).

1st full sheet I did that way with Engraves took 4 hours (that’s middle frame for 4 sets of the 5 pieces (3 houses, 2 trees). I needed do at least 2 more sheets, so dug into that Score vs. Engrave, and since I’m a Cuttle fan, and that’s where my design is, had the wait a minute, there’s gotta be a better way idea.

I haven’t finished a full final build yet (I’m cutting the 3rd sheet of frame layers now, and have to go apply the 3rd coat of polycrylic to the front / back / base sheets when it’s done), but here’s a picture of the last prototype of one of the trees (green color is a wood dye marker - I’m using Keda dyes for the final ones).

And the engrave piece? It’s in the garbage - it did it’s job helping align middle frame piece to the top piece during glue up.

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Thanks for this write up and for the photos. I think this will save many of us lots of time and effort on similar projects. I feel Cuttle is a really powerful/valuable tool.

I would love to see your final display. Please don’t disappear for another 7 months.

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You can do the same trick with other vector editors, they almost all have an inset/outset function.

Inkscape lets you set the inset distance in the preferences so it’s pretty customizable.

Pretty slick that it can handle it parametrically though. Too bad about the subscription model.

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Yeah, I was going to say the same thing - in Inkscape you can do this with inset or outset. I use it all the time, mostly for scoring an inner border for a cut, like a thick line in a cartoon-like drawing.

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Cuttle.xyz has a free version, that supports contact/expand and linear repeat, so I don’t think you need the subscription (I just checked it out in a different browser / login without a subscription).

I haven’t poked around in Inkscape enough to know if you can do things like a parameterized repeat, so that each one get get small / bigger / moved / colored / transformed somehow? You can do tons of that in free version of Cuttle.

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No Exscape doesn’t do parameterized design. You can get close with certain uses of clones, but getting an inset thing like you just did on cuttle is More manual in inkscape by comparison.

Cuddle does have a free tier, but it’s limited in the number of designs you can have on the system and it’s yet another platform lock in. I am intrigued by the platform, because it comes from a parameter first mindset… But I just can’t justify another subscription between streaming services and subscription fatigue. It’s not rational but that’s where I am.

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Thanks @evansd2 - I remember there was an annoying limit in free, but couldn’t remember it.

I hear you on subscriptions, and entirely agree with you on subscription fatigue and having to draw a line somewhere. I use Fusion from Autodesk for my 3D printing, and refuse to pay their prices for a subscription, but can do enough with free to keep getting by. And so far I’ve paid for Cuttle.xyz and Glowforge premium (I haven’t purchased as much GF material recently, but prior year(s?) it paid for itself with store discounts.

One thing I really like about Cuttle is it’s a small company, and they listen pretty hard to what their customers say. Home and small business / schools are their target market, from what I see. I’ve seen them add features, templates, etc. based on interactions here, Facebook, Discord, etc.

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I don’t have anything against Cuttle, I just have never seen anything it provides that I can’t already do in Inkscape.

My impression was that it simply offered an alternative interface, and I know learning the established design tools takes effort - I went thru that with all three of the major ones before deciding Inkscape “jived” closest to how my mind works.

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Yeah - I get it. I’m like that with Fusion - could probably get there / close with other tools, but learned how to proficient (for my needs) already, and can access a free version, so why pay.

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Precisely… I am the same way with Fusion. I invested the intellectual effort long ago, and although other tools have come and gone, it’s my go-to when needed.

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I subscribe to Cuttle and am impressed at the personalized service they give if you have any issues or suggestions. I’m not that savvy in using it but can do what I want. Plus, they offer lots of templates that I’ve used as well and update those frequently.

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you could use inset/outset multiple times, but you could also just do one inset/outset and then take those two shapes and use “blend” mode between them (at least in Illustrator). with blend, you can choose how many steps between and adjust until you get the effect you want. and then just expand the blend.

don’t get me wrong, this is a cool thing you can do in cuttle, just giving people other options on how you could do something similar in other apps.

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What was posted above sounds a lot like “simplify” in the path menu in Inkscape. I use that a lot as well, to produce a smooth outline of an inner design for cutting - earrings, for example.

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What you’re talking about is actually called “interpolate” in inkscape. It’s pretty well documented but it can sometimes introduce errors into your paths. I mean so can inset and outset which is why I like stroke to path… You just have to make sure your path is constrained enough.

You can interpolate between any two paths, from one shape to another or from one size of a shape to another size of a shape and it will make intermediate steps in between. It’s not going to be as precise unless you do some math to figure out how many steps you need to get the lines per inch that you are looking for.

Inkscape tutorial: Interpolate.

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Here’s an example of a project that I made using the interpolate function for different layers in a box.

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@evansd2 Thanks for sharing the info / links on Inkscape interpolation - reading the blog post, seems quite powerful and similar to what I used in Cuttle. And love the Morphing hex star box - that’s beautiful, and a great reason to learn Interpolation in Inkscape / Customizable Repetitions in Cuttle.

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@shop Good stuff - good to see Illustrator supports something similar. More options / sharing is always great.

I do like in Cuttle that I can do it algorithmically, figure out the equation I want, setup the control knobs, run with it. Seems to be an code / data structural choice Cuttle made early on to allow easy manipulations in an algorithmic (or mathematical) way.

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You might like a couple of topics I created about ways to make unusual engraves.

I bet cuttle could make fills like this too.

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I have never used (or even heard of) interpolate, I just use the inset and outset Path menu options.

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Now you’ve got a new thing to try!

It’s cool to find things like this in software that you’ve been using for so long.

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