Discussion of the August 2017 update

#61

you have to admit that the 25%+ discount is what holds people here. If I was ordering a Glowforge today…wait I wouldn’t order a full priced laser and not have it ship out within a day or two of my order. Glowforge is taking the money now and I would have to wait… No way I would do that no reason to, if they held the charge until shipping at this point I might think about it.
I like the promise of the software and the reports of the lucky few who have gotten their forge. The comments by those in possession keep the enthusiasm. While updates are nice I have to say this one was meh didn’t tell me much but it did meet the expectation I have come to expect. I also agree that optimism is projected until it isn’t then you get the oops message. Dan asks for comments, but i have seen plenty of request for more transparency on shipping which Dan is unwilling to give so yes I can see why people are frustrated, excited, happy, then sad.
Also, given the lack of emails about shipping I have my doubts. 10,000 units to ship roughly and 70 days effective (okay its a guess base on deadline and work hours and yield/up time essentially your guess is as good as mine) says that the build rate must be 150 units a day. I not positive but based on emails I am not so sure they are at that level, and lets face it CEOs may not get the bad news from the lowly factory guys until there is no choice but to tell him.
Not sure if I am optimistic or pessimistic at this point bottom line I wait like everyone else.

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#62

I was happy to see no delay announced, though as others have pointed out, it hasn’t been until the last minute that they have announced it in the past. BUT, since there are Pro units going out and they seem to be shipping Basics faster now, I will sit in the corner and hold my breath. I figure as late as I ordered, Oct 19th 2015, that I may be close to the end anyway. If there is a six week delivery time, then I won’t start getting worried until September 19th, basically six weeks until Oct 31st, if I don’t receive the “Do you want…” email by then, I will start to worry, until then, I will wait.

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#63

It’s none of my business when or whether you start worrying, but while I think I’ve seen dan say he hopes to have all pre-order units ‘delivered’ by 31 Oct, the official schedule on the home page of the forum is still that they will be ‘shipped’ by 31 Oct. By all accounts, glowforge seems to have the unique definition of shipping as when they send you an email saying it will ship to you within 6 weeks. Or maybe this time things will go according to plan and they actually will ramp up quickly and we’ll all have our units earlier than the current deadline which I’m sure would please (almost) everyone - only time will tell.

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#65

This seems to always need to be pointed out on this forum but its entirely possible to be upset by the delays and lack of communication and yet still want to keep your order. I for one, am annoyed by the repeated delays and yet, to me, it doesn’t seem to make any sense after all this waiting to quit now.

This is entirely subjective. Others, like myself, dont see it as a pessimistic perspective. He takes the limited numbers and info available and tries to see if the production is somewhat on schedule. It doesn’t appear to be. If glowforge was upset by incorrect numbers being spread around they could certainly enlighten the forum with some accurate production and shipping numbers.

Not helpful to you doesn’t mean not helpful to anyone. If someone is on the fence about keeping their order and someone else points out that it doesn’t look like their numbers are being hit, that would be relevant and helpful information to consider.

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#66

I could definitely be wrong, but my interpretation is that the forum home page statement is a stronger commitment to ‘ship’ by 31 Oct than that they are ‘working on’ delivering them by 31 Oct, and I believe they have confirmed that they’re shipping definition is to send out the email asking for your shipping address. Surely they are working to deliver them as soon as possible, and to be fair it does seem like the average wait time between shipping email and package actually going out the door has been well less than 6 weeks.

edited to include reference:

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#67

Me too. The previous announcement foreshadowing safe use of the Pro in the wild came a couple days after I accepted shipping on the basic… On the other hand, I’ve had a machine to use for several additional months.

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#68

This was his answer to the question that I linked above

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#69

Still hopeful enough to keep checking email. Would be amazing to get our pro in time for the holidays.

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#70

Not yet, though my order was about midway through the opening campaign period. So I’m not expecting an email until deep in September.

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#71

I agree with you that it has been pointed many times. It is one thing to express frustration about the shipping delays (and I have done that more that a couple times), but when innuendos of lying, nearly criminal deception and blatant fraud comes from someone over shipping delays and features still being implemented (versus not being ready at the shipping of the product), it is clear that trust in the company and the CEO of that company does not existing.

Here is why I ask the question of “why chose to keep your order” and since Glowforge has (without question) refunded people’s monies upon canceling (which deceptive company would not do), if someone has regularly question the honesty and integrity of a company/product

Rather than continuing to add acid to the wound/sore spots for others, find the product that meets the need/desire, buy it and promote it. If Glowforge IS that product, lament the fact the shipping delays have occurred and encourage others to hang in there (not continue to irritate those in the same boat who have been waiting 20 months since the first delay).

Glowforge has done a very poor job of meeting their ship dates and even created a pattern of “bad news” announcements. Making poor prognostications (from limited data that isn’t even from Glowforge) to bad mouth a company (for whatever satisfaction is brings someone) really isn’t helping anyone. Putting out numbers won’t change where things are at.Those numbers are for the investors (buying a unit or two - or more - is still only a customer designation) and the board of directors.

Finding a balance between useful information vs idle curiosity (for any company) is incredibly difficult. Even Apple and/or Microsoft doesn’t release numbers beyond what is required by the SEC. The numbers seen are just those compiled by 3rd parties and generally accepted as what is happening in the market.

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#72

Or… You’ll never know what was removed…

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#73

My order (Basic) wasn’t until October 6, so my guess is that I will get one of the last ones, sometime in later October. The up-side is that we get more $$ to spend in the store because of the delays.

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#74

Well, the crowdfunding campaign ended October 26th, so you do have people behind you.

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#75

Good deal @dan. If the Pro Training has a video element to it, I’d love to get ahold of that ahead of time and get some knowledge in me. Would It be possible for us to get access to the Pro Training early?
Right now all I have is Fire Marshall Bill’s training, and…
IMG_1919
I don’t think this guy is on the level.

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#76

We release it when your Glowforge ships, so you’ll have time before it arrives.

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#77

Dan, thanks for the extra details/answers/replies :smile:
Fantastic seeing how things are moving forward!

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#78

@dan
Your announcement and timely responses are fantastic!
Keep on keepin’ on sir! You are awesome!

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#79

The pro training manual is more to make sure you’re legally covered as a trained “Laser safety officer” than a get to know your a Glowforge kind of thing. I found a free laser course on the University of a British Columbia’s website a while back that covered very similar material.

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#80

While I understand your perspective, no one should have to justify why they’re here. They’re here because they bought a laser (i mean, preordered. Whatever) and waited around with all the rest of us. That’s it. That’s all there is to it.

I know on the whole things around here tend to be helpful and informative and cavity-inducingly sweet, especially for an internet forum, but everyone is different and there’s no rule that everyone must hold the same opinions or priorities or viewpoints. If I bought my glowforge solely to figure out what the heck an ultrasonic weld is, and then I plan to use it as the world’s most terribly designed cereal bowl, I’m still allowed to be here, yeah? You sure don’t have to like it and you’re welcome to think I’m a nut. But I don’t think I should have to explain myself to anyone.

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