Original buyer benefits transferable if I give away or sell my Glowforge?

[PrintToLaser]

I agree. IMHO, Pessimism is being prematurely disappointed in the future.
I try to be careful with my perspective, it colors my life.

[Tom_A]

@chadmart1076

In my opinion, the only reason to really care about the rest of it is if I were on the fence about keeping the order… and I’m very firmly planted inside that fence, so it doesn’t matter to me.

People have a ton of reasons to care. Some people are literally planning their lives around this thing. Making space for it. Telling their customers when to expect certain things. Some planned on having additional revenue already and have had major life impacts. So, it may not be important to you but, please understand, it’s important to many. And it goes far beyond what you seem to think it means.

I’m with you though as far as keeping my order. The money’s spent. I’m at peace with that. I just hate being lied to. I just want to hear the truth… “Yeah… We effed up. We’re not really shipping out most units until Q1 2018. But this time we mean it. No more excuses. You’re really really really getting it or we’ll send you one for free.”

[jamesdhatch]

@printolaser

Pessimism is being prematurely disappointed in the future.

Ah, but the way the world is, a pessimist is not often disappointed and even occasionally pleasantly surprised

[PrintToLaser]

I can’t argue that, but expecting good things gives me a sunny disposition, and that’s my preference.

[rand]

@thomas.alessi.jr

I just hate being lied to. I just want to hear the truth… “Yeah… We effed up. We’re not really shipping out most units until Q1 2018. But this time we mean it. No more excuses. You’re really really really getting it or we’ll send you one for free.”

That assumes mal-intent not in evidence. I guess we could assume that GF is just deliberately lying to us – but in that case, I for one would not let them keep my money and I would go do business with a company I felt was more in line with my core essences. Fortunately, I believe that GF is actually that company.

Authenticity is crucially important to me, and I have seen no evidence of willful dishonesty. But then again, I have managed to live these numerous decades of my life by giving folks the benefit of the doubt and expecting the very best of folks – and, Pollyanna that it may seem to some, I have very rarely been disappointed…

[scatterbrains]

@thomas.alessi.jr

I just hate being lied to.

Lied to? Hmmm… this kind of talk is no fun and doesn’t feel like an attempt to be constructive.

The world is not always a simple place. All this speculation makes it even more complicated.

What I think I know is that the folks at Glowforge have good intentions and it will benefit their company to follow those intentions. For me, that’s enough to keep waiting.

Peace, love, and patience to all!

[MikeH]

It will be nice when the final release GFs start shipping and the discussions can focus on technical and usage aspects instead of parsing shipping statements.

[takitus]

@MikeH

It will be nice when the final release GFs start shipping and the discussions can focus on technical and usage aspect

cant wait for that

[Tom_A]

@rand

That assumes mal-intent not in evidence.

In fact, your statement does that. Mine simply states I hate being lied to. And that, I promise you, is true.

[andistarnes]

I always go with “hope for the best, prepare for the worst.” I hope to get my laser sometime in that May-June range, but am totally prepared to wait much longer.

[Hirudin]

If a festival was advertised as happening in May through August, I think it would be reasonable to expect that it will start IN May, not just at any point before August 31st.

[paulw]

@thomas.alessi.jr

Yeah, but maybe they’re getting some awesome shipping deal by doing x shipments at a time.

GF boxes are big. So even if they’re doing x shipments at a time you’re only talking about a couple hundred or so per truck or shipping container. Not going to want to let those stack up on a loading dock.

[dan]

@chadmart1076

That said, I’ve seen people in the discussion talk about a March shipping date… and I want to temper people’s expectations. The actual deadline per the last update is July 31st for early and August 30th for late. There is no March deadline. There is no April, May or June deadline. There are just two; July 31st and August 31st.

Thanks Chad - that is correct. While we shared some of our production goals, the only “deadlines” - that is, dates you should use for purposes of planning your Glowforge delivery - are July and August.

@thomas.alessi.jr

I expect to know that thousands of units are produced in April and I expect production units to begin shipping no later than May.

We’re not planning to share our shipping numbers.

[Tom_A]

@dan

dates you should use for purposes of planning your Glowforge delivery - are July and August.

Does that mean Glowforge has officially abandoned your most-recent shipping announcement “will get their deliveries in May?”

@dan

We’re not planning to share our shipping numbers.

I imagine and hope an excited recipient of the very first (or one of the first) final production Glowforges will share their experiences with us.

[dan]

@thomas.alessi.jr

will get their deliveries in May?

Nobody should plan to get their Glowforge in May. I apologize for being confusing; I attempted to communicate that some people will, but I can see how the extra information obscured the key point, which was when you (and everyone else) should plan to receive yours. (Even those who are offered an earlier delivery can defer until later)

[palmercr]

Will some people get an actual production machine in May? I.e. not a pre-release.

[Tom_A]

@dan

Nobody should plan to get their Glowforge in May. I apologize for being confusing; I attempted to communicate that some people will

Thanks for trying to explain, but your explanation is confusing me (and @palmercr apparently). I have no idea what you’re dancing around saying “nobody should to get their GF in May” and then you say "I attempted to communication that some people will. I have 0 expectation of receiving my unit in May. I’d love to have mine and will absolutely accept it in May, but it’s not an expectation.

The question that seems to have been answered, and then un-answered is as @palmercr asked…

@palmercr

Will some people get an actual production machine in May? I.e. not a pre-release.

The answer really speaks volumes to the state of things. At least as far as I see it.

• Tom

[jamesdhatch]

@thomas.alessi.jr

Thanks for trying to explain, but your explanation is confusing me

I thought it was pretty clear. There will be people who get their unit in May. But a specific individual should plan for theirs to come in July. Any individual might get it in May but also might not so for planning purposes July is the (current) safe bet. (For pre-Oct 26 orders anyway.)

[rand]

@thomas.alessi.jr

Thanks for trying to explain, but your explanation is confusing me (and @palmercr apparently). I have no idea what you’re dancing around saying “nobody should to get their GF in May” and then you say "I attempted to communication that some people will. I

Missed a key word there – PLAN.

[Tom_A]

@rand

Missed a key word there – PLAN.

Yes… I missed the word. Thanks for noticing. It doesn’t change my point/question/concern.

@jamesdhatch

I thought it was pretty clear. There will be people who get their unit in May. But a specific individual should plan for theirs to come in July. Any individual might get it in May but also might not so for planning purposes July is the (current) safe bet.

That’s what I would think, too. So what’s the point of the clarification? I still just want a crystal clear answer…

Will some people get an actual production machine in May? I.e. not a pre-release.